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Post by Kaiolino on May 28, 2019 3:22:02 GMT
Avengers Disassembled is also amazing. Half the Avengers die in it and Wanda conjures a Rogue to beat up Carol
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Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 28, 2019 3:24:03 GMT
Why r u trying to corrupt me? Omg have u watched dusk till dawn yet?
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Post by Kaiolino on May 28, 2019 3:24:33 GMT
I watched 3 episodes when it first came out
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Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 28, 2019 3:26:53 GMT
Literally the best portrayal of Kitty.
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Post by Nen Wyatt on May 28, 2019 3:31:36 GMT
Janet """"""accidentally""""" pushing Wanda over the edge, being a drunk and not knowing how to use birth control was a great re-introduction to the character for me.
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Post by salarta on May 28, 2019 4:53:05 GMT
In lieu of a "review" for Decimation: The Day After #1, I'm going to do what I typically do on Twitter when I watch/play/read something: write down whatever random thoughts pop into my head as I go along. I haven't read Nenobi's post prior to this. Also, my impressions are overall negative, so word of warning. {Spoiler}First page immediately makes me think of that comic panel that had She-Hulk and Juggernaut in bed together.
Blob wanting to commit suicide seems... stupid. Really stupid. And like it wouldn't fit someone who was undoubtedly mocked for his appearance all his life. It's not like his condition hurts, otherwise he would have expositioned it hurting before he realized what happened to him. Just feels like the writing threw away common sense to try to play up drama.
"Now they're working together with... FEMA" Haven't the mutants suffered enough?
Page with the "I used to be a mutant" kid and others: who let Frank Miller into this comic?
"Something's happening in Paris!" It's... THE HAPPENING! *whoosh*
Why are literally all the women drawn like pinup models cursed with doing random poses when they make the least sense? First the cop holding herself as a van slams into the building, now Emma looking all pouty as she talks. On that note, I "like" how Cyclops is speaking to everyone like they're idiots with no crisis experience, and Emma plays role of woman by his side as he gets to do all the leading.
It's pretty convenient that the three X-Factor characters happen to keep their powers.
The team pictures on the wall are a nice touch. Too bad they skip straight from O5 to Giant-Size.
The issue only starts to actually get better at the very end when Wolverine and Colossus face the Sapien League.
All in all, I feel like I wasted a lot of time by reading this. The way women are treated in this especially sucks. Throughout the entire book, they're repeatedly talked down to or presented as if they exist as emotional objects - either damsels to save/comfort or backdoor therapists. You don't see that in Blob's or Quicksilver's bits. If the rest is like this, or this is the best the period has to offer, I'm not sure I'll be able to stand reading more.
P.S. - I'm not knocking anyone liking this of course. These are simply my views. im not starting afight I just want to debate some of those. Blob is actually very self confident and embraced his mutant identity. It helps that he found a sense of belonging in Mystique brotherhood/Freedom Force. Why do ppl think different ppl automatically want to drop part of their identity in exchange for acceptance. Im not singling u out its just so widespread and accepted that if they had a choice fat ppl would gladly rather stop being fat. It is one of a kind crisis and Cyclops is supposed to display his leadership. Maybe the way its done is gauche but it does what its supposed to do. At the time no one else could have handled the situation. Plenty of women have agency. It is an issue centered on the fallout of M Day so emotionally charged scenes are to be expected but plenty of men had similar scenes (you talk abt Wolverine/Colossus urself, how is it different then Nightcrawler/Kitty? Blob and QS (lol I thought this was magneto but i guess theyre plugging the son of m mini) were isolated while the X-Men have a solid support system which is the whole point of Scott and Emma's talk. I'm not objective bc i love Claremont but I can see where sum of the complaints on his writing come from: his dialogue, his storytelling, his unsavory fetishes and fetishization of women, non white characters, his erasure of mlms) but saying he dont write women independantly from men is such a reach. I'm actually confused about what part of what I said would bring the "I'm not singling you out" response. Blob is self-confident, I don't see how his confidence is dependent on how he looks (or his powers), and from that I can't see how his body changing the way it did would immediately lead him to want to commit suicide. It seems like an extreme reaction to me for someone who I get the impression wouldn't care what anyone thought of how he looked. It's not so much Cyclops leading I had an issue with, but the combo of how he talks to his teammates and Emma mostly on the sidelines rather than leading too. He came across to me like he was talking down to a team full of experienced members. For the treatment of women part, I don't wanna tally up everything or go through it all. But there's like, Val Cooper being condescended to. The two X-Corp women being mocked in the streets. The uses of Bishop rescuing bug lady, Emma needing comfort, the female cop holding herself in sadness as a car rams into a building, etc. I'm not including the Jubilee segment because I see it as "canceling out" the Blob one as they're both isolated. Maybe if I saw a female mutant rush in and save a depowered male mutant or something, I'd have a different view. But overall it seems like it's mostly Men In Charge. I thought it was Magneto at first too but then I recognized the blue lightning bolt. |
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Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 29, 2019 1:57:19 GMT
I lost all the notes I took while reading so my compressed thoughts on New X-Men: Childhood's End:  I never read Academy X so I didnt care for the cast getting put on figurative and literal buses but it must have been traumatic for readers at the time. Emma being too weak to do anything with her telepathy is tiresome. I like that she's being a mean teacher and overcompensating for the Hellions detahs but half her decisions make no sense. There's too much padding in the dialogue. Cyclops/Emma and Hellion/Mercury have had the same argument half a dozen times. I never minded the art up until now but I see where Kaiolino is coming from everyone looks too damn pretty. Also Idk if it's Kyost or Brooks fault or both but every fight had zero choregraphy neither the Danger Room sessions nor the battle royale made sense visually I have no idea what happened. I like how Stryker is used here. Was that the last time Forge looked hot? Kyost know their continuity and characterization but they never deliver on anything neither the actions or emotional beats are there and its a trend thats gonna be there the whole time and im tired. |
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Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 29, 2019 2:03:48 GMT
im not starting afight I just want to debate some of those. Blob is actually very self confident and embraced his mutant identity. It helps that he found a sense of belonging in Mystique brotherhood/Freedom Force. Why do ppl think different ppl automatically want to drop part of their identity in exchange for acceptance. Im not singling u out its just so widespread and accepted that if they had a choice fat ppl would gladly rather stop being fat. It is one of a kind crisis and Cyclops is supposed to display his leadership. Maybe the way its done is gauche but it does what its supposed to do. At the time no one else could have handled the situation. Plenty of women have agency. It is an issue centered on the fallout of M Day so emotionally charged scenes are to be expected but plenty of men had similar scenes (you talk abt Wolverine/Colossus urself, how is it different then Nightcrawler/Kitty? Blob and QS (lol I thought this was magneto but i guess theyre plugging the son of m mini) were isolated while the X-Men have a solid support system which is the whole point of Scott and Emma's talk. I'm not objective bc i love Claremont but I can see where sum of the complaints on his writing come from: his dialogue, his storytelling, his unsavory fetishes and fetishization of women, non white characters, his erasure of mlms) but saying he dont write women independantly from men is such a reach. I'm actually confused about what part of what I said would bring the "I'm not singling you out" response. Blob is self-confident, I don't see how his confidence is dependent on how he looks (or his powers), and from that I can't see how his body changing the way it did would immediately lead him to want to commit suicide. It seems like an extreme reaction to me for someone who I get the impression wouldn't care what anyone thought of how he looked. It's not so much Cyclops leading I had an issue with, but the combo of how he talks to his teammates and Emma mostly on the sidelines rather than leading too. He came across to me like he was talking down to a team full of experienced members. For the treatment of women part, I don't wanna tally up everything or go through it all. But there's like, Val Cooper being condescended to. The two X-Corp women being mocked in the streets. The uses of Bishop rescuing bug lady, Emma needing comfort, the female cop holding herself in sadness as a car rams into a building, etc. I'm not including the Jubilee segment because I see it as "canceling out" the Blob one as they're both isolated. Maybe if I saw a female mutant rush in and save a depowered male mutant or something, I'd have a different view. But overall it seems like it's mostly Men In Charge. I thought it was Magneto at first too but then I recognized the blue lightning bolt. i meant the whole post. I didnt want it to look like i was attacking u. I would want to kill myself if an overwhelming part of my identity thats shaped my entire life and dynamics with the rest of the world was stripped from me. Not to mention super strength and near invulnerability. Also wouldnt extremely rapid weight loss have an impact on his biology and even mental health? Storm, Sage, Courtney, Val Cooper, Psylocke and Feral and Thornn were not being damsels in distress. The whole point of the book was to show the characters reeling from the events of MDay tho so im rlly not sure how it would have gone any other way. Was that muslim excalibur girl unofficial first appearance btw? |
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Post by Kaiolino on May 29, 2019 2:12:25 GMT
X-Men: The 198 #1- Does Magma's hair look amazing or what - I love that the guy she's known for two weeks is referred to as her soulmate - Remember when Avengers fans said magma guy dying was his own fault because he never should've been near an active volcano - Turning the school into a concentration camp was seriously fucked up, will be interesting if the books tackled this better than the time they gassed mutantkind - Toad is pretty cool here - Poor Lorelei. Only Medusa deserves to suffer this fate = The only things I remember about Mr. M is that he was being sold as this huge deal and then his plot just sort of fizzled out - Nice that the insect girl plot from Decimation was picked up here - The school grounds look like actual hell Best page: X-Men: The 198 #2- lmao Empath - What I appreciate about comics from way back when is that it uses the deep bench of mutants - Basically, if this comic came out today, the tents would be filled with... Dazzler and Goldballs at best - The X-books are afraid of their history now, only using select comics to retread - Mr. M is my fav character for having the ability to grow somebody's hair long - My question about if the concentration camps would be handled with historical heft has been answered! - Emma is such a bitch - Every time I see Fever Pitch I think it's Glob Herman on fire - And Sack is blue Glob Herman - Mr. M is already a boring overpowered mystery character - Johnny is fucking disgusting Best page: X-Men: The 198 #3- Also something I wouldn't expect in a modern X-Men comic: drug users with arms full of needle holes - Those cellphones look SLICK - Damn, Magma straight up calling Empath a rapist - Outlaw has the ability to wear pants on one page and a skirt on the next - fuck yeah mammomax - LEAVE MAMMOMAX ALONE - RIP Jazz, this blue marvel will always be a great character Best page:
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Post by Kaiolino on May 29, 2019 2:20:34 GMT
Was that muslim excalibur girl unofficial first appearance btw? No, that's Faiza, not Farisa. Faiza is a doctor who would go on to join MI-13 while this Farisa lady appears to already be an agent. |
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Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 29, 2019 2:22:22 GMT
Generation-M  I didnt read any of these events tie ins starring her but Sally Floyd is a bad bitch Marvel dont make characters like that anymore. I wanted ro call him a fascist loon lmao Marvel had balls at the time. Poor Jono <\3 Kay finished issue #1 and Im hooked Salie is a great protagonist this story has heart it's both depressing and hopeful all it needed is suspense and it delivered. |
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Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 29, 2019 2:25:36 GMT
Was that muslim excalibur girl unofficial first appearance btw? No, that's Faiza, not Farisa. Faiza is a doctor who would go on to join MI-13 while this Farisa lady appears to already be an agent. i never read captain itain and mi13 either should we throw it in? Its not rlly an xbook. |
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Post by Kaiolino on May 29, 2019 2:29:14 GMT
It's a great book but not relevant.
We might have to throw in Civil War: X-Men since iirc that's when a lot of characters escape.
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Post by Kaiolino on May 29, 2019 2:33:29 GMT
I didnt read any of these events tie ins starring her but Sally Floyd is a bad bitch Marvel dont make characters like that anymore.  |
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Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 29, 2019 2:33:32 GMT
We're doing world war hulk x-men, civil war x-men and secret invasion x-men bc all of them r good.
I want to check the clusterfuck that was New Excalibur but I'll save it for another time.
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