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Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? May 30, 2019 2:39:43 GMT | To Top

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Post by Kaiolino on May 30, 2019 2:39:43 GMT

Son of M #1

- Ah, good old Quicksilver
- Can't say I got a lot of sympathy for the dude
- Isn't it kinda weird he's not looking for Wanda
- This is a very weird comic to follow up the Spider-Man stuff from HoM in
- (also I'm pretty sure Dr. Strange erased his HoM memories because he was traumatized)
- well, at least Pietro can't stop talking about how in love with Wanda he is
- remember when Wanda was in limbo for six years
- Oh hey it's Johnny D except he seems much nicer here
- This is a really poorly written Spider-Man
- It's my favorite characters the Inhumans!

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Son of M #2

- I like this house ad that announces Astonishing is coming back for a full year when it turned out to be two (or maybe even more) due to all the delays
- remember when the inhumans were just weird freaks
- Ah, Luna. Magneto's favourite grandchild
- I don't think Luna has shown up even once throughout the Inhuman push?
- Interesting little fun fact provided by Medusa about how letting every Inhuman go through terrigenesis would be disastrous
- how did Black Bolt not just stick five guards on Pietro considering how very obvious it was what he was gonna do

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Son of M #3

- I looooooove time travel stories
- Oh, so NOW they put guards on him
- good lord the levels of testosterone in all of these comics
- That said, Crystal is definitely a cheating hussy
- I'm already tired of the time travel
- lol this writer really hates Quicksilver
- That final page, yikes

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Obi-Wan Nenobi Senior Member tektek I have made 2,528 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 2018 I've received 55 likes My gender is Other / Decline to State	Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? May 30, 2019 2:44:50 GMT \| To Top via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 30, 2019 2:44:50 GMT Son Of M had the best art but I read it once Im not doing it again.
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Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? May 30, 2019 2:49:43 GMT | To Top

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Post by Kaiolino on May 30, 2019 2:49:43 GMT

May 30, 2019 2:32:19 GMT Obi-Wan Nenobi said:

Whats the iceman panel where he got depowered?

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Johnny Dee design was excellent and he's still in O*N*E custody hopefully Rosenberg reveals he's the reason everyone acting so weird.

lol I doubt he's able to do such a deep cut continuity reference.

198 was the only time I liked Magma in the modern era. Besides date night.

Remember when Guggs brought her back to do literally nothing

Milligan's run literally reads like a parody and should have been out of continuity. Him and Austen are half the reson ppl call the XMen a soap opera. Idc.

It was supposed to be a parody. In the introduction to the X-Statix omni he says how much he hates the X-Men and their soap opera garbage.

Havok 'died' during Mutant X which then gave us nurse Annie.

By dying I mean not appear in comics for years.

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Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? May 30, 2019 3:31:08 GMT | To Top via mobile

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Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 30, 2019 3:31:08 GMT

Thanx I dont think I ever saw that panel.

Top Magma stories:
1. That Uncanny issue where her and Rachel dress up as maids to infiltrate the Hellfire Club. Claremont has no shame.
2. Dating Mephisto
3. Going off on Empath ass.

Otherwise her look is generic her power is boring i have luterally no idea what her personality or current history is.

It really bothers me that David Hine didnt get an ongoing at the time. He wrote so much XMen in such a short span and did lots of things right but then dropped off the face of the xworld. Also is it ironic how tight continuity and consistency was at the time and that got dropped when Brubaker and Carey came on, right around the time they brought back annual crossover events?

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Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? May 30, 2019 20:08:45 GMT | To Top

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Post by Kaiolino on May 30, 2019 20:08:45 GMT

It's almost beautiful how Decimation led to two completely separate storylines, the Vulcan stuff and the Quicksilver/Inhumans stuff, which would collide years later in a cosmic event that also built on the cosmic events that had taken place. They just don't do that stuff anymore. The only "set" continuity is Claremont and maybe one particular run a writer liked.

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Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? May 30, 2019 20:52:08 GMT | To Top

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Post by Kaiolino on May 30, 2019 20:52:08 GMT

Son of M #4

- Crystal calling Lockjaw a misbegotten mongrel is probably why he only hangs with Ms. Marvel now
- The narration calling Lockjaw a dumb dog lol
- You know who is a smart pet? Lockheed
- It actually is kind of weird that BB and Medusa don't have children
- RIP Callisto's tentacle arms
- I forgot Magneto was in this. I only remember that bizarre New Avengers arc with Xorn
- How does Callisto know about the Inhumans?
- That ending is so good that fucked up family was great and they took it away from us for dumb movie synergy
- That Shin Budokai ad brings back memories. Those were great handheld fighters!

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Son of M #5

- Oh Shola, we deserved more of you
- At least you were in Wood's Ultimate run!
- remember when Wicked was in a comic recently because St. CC never forgets about her
- Luna and Magneto scene I love it
- It's insane we never had a Magnus family book
- "Pietro made his daughter addicted to drugs" is one of my favorite Quicksilver fuckups

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Son of M #6

- Whoa it looks like mutants die if they come into contact with terrigen mists I'm sure they'll be more careful with that stuff from here on out
- It's kinda weird how this just turned into an Inhumans comic at some point
- Is this Magneto's last appearance until Xavier Legacy?
- Everyone's so mean to that dog!
- I had to use UXM.net to remind myself how these Quicksilver plots all get resolved. Thanks, PAD!
- That said, I don't remember either how Callisto's powers stabilized

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Arc conclusion

This was a very good story that covers a lot of groun in six issues while also being a breezy read. Great writing and characterization, great, overall top notch. Come back to us, David Hine!

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Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? May 30, 2019 22:24:02 GMT | To Top

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Post by Kaiolino on May 30, 2019 22:24:02 GMT

Generation M #1

- I genuinely believe Paul Jenkins is the worst Marvel writer of the 21st century
- I would like to oppose the belief that D-Day and the moon landing (especially that one!!!) are the most important events of the past 75 years
- Poor Ned the dragon
- The House of Ideas really did a dramatic funeral of a giant twice in 2006
- Wanda really responsible for a lot of misery yet Cyclops and Emma are permanently marked for doing whatever
- look at that Crosta clone
- didn't the mutant registration act pass during the '80s
- Chamber looks bad now but not nearly as bad as when he became a Pooky descendant
- lol AOL
- Crazy how Nick Lowe was already an X-editor at this point

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Generation M #2

- so many deaths
- Stacy u look like a mess
- Did Stacy ever get repowered? I know she was in that Domino annual recently
- Why is journalist Sally Floyd best friends with a 16-year old?
- There was a Civil War II issue where Tony and Carol went to AA and got into a fight with each other

Generation M #3

- Wow Sally was a milf
- The good news for Blobber is that he'll one day be dating an extremely thirsty Psylocke
- Sally Floyd is like a cheap Jessica Jones
- Her shitty writing reminds me of Maureen Dowd
- At this point I think MORE THAN ENOUGH HAVE DIED

Generation M #4

- Turning Beak human was SO STUPID
- It's crazy that Marrow doesn't get used more
- I blame it on the nostalgic EVERYONE IS LAWFUL GOOD demands of the modern era
- Did they ever explain how Alchemist got his powers back in time to be killed off by Literally Hitlerclops
- wait I don't remember this shit happening to Angel at all

Generation M #5

- Somebody should make a list of all the poc X-Men who got maimed/killed/depowered/turned evil in the '00s
- Sally listen to Dani you piece of shit
- Sad baby story
- Ah Angel's wings were a fakeout
- Gotta do a fakeout with each of the O5 because Marvel thinks we're invested in them the most
- ok the end

Arc conclusion

Boring, didn't care, too much death, Jenkins sux

Obi-Wan Nenobi Senior Member tektek I have made 2,528 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 2018 I've received 55 likes My gender is Other / Decline to State	Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? May 30, 2019 23:24:45 GMT \| To Top via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Obi-Wan Nenobi on May 30, 2019 23:24:45 GMT Didnt the XMen erase every government records of mutant individuals in the 90s? Maybe im confused.
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Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? May 31, 2019 0:14:47 GMT | To Top

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Post by Kaiolino on May 31, 2019 0:14:47 GMT

X-Factor #1

- Ryan Sook uwu
- Where does Jamie know Rictor from?
- God, Jamie's annoying
- Never give a character pheromone-esque powers. Never
- One thing all these comics have in common is the sense of loss mutants feel over losing their powers. That has been lost ever since. Being a mutant is now almost always depicted as a burden except if you have omega level powers
- lol I hate-love Rahne
- We're only doing six issues, but let's remember the little girl is going to marry Madrox

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X-Factor #2

- Money's skintone is peachy
- Layla Miller knows stuff but I honest to god don't remember what her ultimate goal was

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X-Factor #3

- lol Terry fapping to Obi-Wan Nenobi
- Already one woman who is thirsty for author insert Jamie
- Monet dancing around naked singing shitty songs doesn't seem entirely in-character
- I don't think X-Factor finding out the truth behind the Decimation ever really affected them (aside from their schism with Cyclops) sooooooo

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Post by Nen Wyatt on May 31, 2019 3:14:02 GMT

Layla Miller knows stuff but I honest to god don't remember what her ultimate goal was

I think it was legit just to ensure the time loop, but I could have just made myself forget something else.

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Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? Jun 1, 2019 0:23:32 GMT | To Top

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Post by Kaiolino on Jun 1, 2019 0:23:32 GMT

I didn't have my laptop when I read X-Factor #4-6, so I didn't make any notes. I don't know why I stopped with #4 since it's the last issue with the Decimation logo but w/e. The only noteworthy thing I remember is that Monet was weeping by issue #4 on Madrox's shoulder and the torture inflicted on Siryn (but at least she gets saved by the other everyman Rictor). Also Rahne threatening to fuck up the kids who beat up Layla is what she should've done with the frat boys who literally murdered her because she was too weak-willed to fight back.

Arc conclusion

This is probably the best part of PAD's X-Factor run since it's still firmly in noir territory rather than the boring supernatural crap that only PAD cares about. The writing style is a breath of fresh air inbetween all the doom and gloom and I can imagine the regular quips being fairly unique at the time. However, EVERYONE know does one joke per speech bubble now it now just feels like a regular Marvel comic. PAD often gets praise for his solid characterization, which is true in the sense that everyone has an instantly identifiable voice, but Monet is weak-willed, Siryn is pathetic and Layla is just a sassy McGuffin and she stays that way for the next 100 issues. Wolfsbane is the only woman who is spared this treatment. Ryan Sook's art is fucking stunning lol he left after 4 issues and never came back. I'd rather PAD wrote all the Decimation stuff and David Hine wrote X-Factor for 7 years.

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Let's read together: X-Men - The Bad Old Days? Jun 1, 2019 1:36:15 GMT | To Top

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Post by Kaiolino on Jun 1, 2019 1:36:15 GMT

X-Men #182

- I really don't care about Gazer
- Oh man SARS I remember that epidemic
- I wonder who Pestilence is!
- lmao look at Pooky's shitty monitor
- Extremely shocked Gazer won that duel
- ughhh I forgot how Sunfire lost his legs
- Wasn't Sunfire in The Twelve? He'd know Apocalypse
- I think Rogue should wear trenchcoats more often
- lol that loser Havok back already
- Pooky has the coolest ship
- I'm glad someone finally knocked that idiot Ozymandias out

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X-Men #183

- Pooky is such a goofy dumbass
- lmao "Mama used to say..."
- Back off Carey, Milligan is the best Rogue writer
- Is that a Skids sighting
- lol Karma siding with Pooky uhhhhhh sure
- Coincidentally, Horseman Sunfire looks the same as his popular AoA design
- I don't think what's dumber: Gambit joining Pooky willingly or the later reveal that he tried to infiltrate Pooky's ranks and ended up failing entirely

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X-Men #184

- Just kill Ozy already
- Mystique only caring about who Rogue's dating in the middle of a supervillain assault
- But she's right that Pulse is a good boy
- btw Famine was really a dissappointment, huh
- Bling! going on missions to fight Apocalypse in the year 2006 while in 2019 she's still part of the students
- The Death design is a hatecrime and I don't even like Gumbo
- For a second I thought Pooky said the "juice of thots"
- lol Gumbo such a stupid mfer

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X-Men #185

- lmao Rogue
- It's almost like they only made Sunfire a Horseman so he'd be returned to factory settings
- whatever happened to that subplot about Iceman needing to regain control of his powers
- I wish Milligan wrote Mr. and Mrs. X
- this is a mech anime now
- Popo looking like she got some Summers STD
- Note that DAAP SURVIVED
- Paul Pelletier is an underappreciated champ

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X-Men #186

- This might be the first X-Men story arc that did that thing where we needed some Avengers involvement
- Wasn't Skylark that kid from Here Comes Tomorrow
- *dead* at Havok fangirling over Captain America
- All these Horsemen are weak as hell defeated by Ozy smh
- lol Rogue
- Last issue had that Popo cliffhanger and then this issue she does nothing except have her unconscious body be found in the rubble
- Havok desperate for those germs
- Rogue and Pulse are a couple now I guess
- And so Pooky fucks off with the Celestials not to be seen again for 12 years until Nate Grey randomly decides to kidnap him

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X-Men #187

- Whoa, Sunfire has the same attack as that Fire Shenron from GT
- Iceman's obsession with Popo really lasted years huh
- Very noble of Bobert to award Popo to Havok
- lol they screwed up the speech bubbles between Rogue and Pulse
- Can you ship it?
- Lotta explaining about how Polaris is different now but everyone knew that the next writer would just treat her like a mutant
- The Polaris page would be best page if it hadn't been posted earlier in the thread
- Popo's leaving, but I'm pretty sure she's right back at the school when Brubaker's sexist run starts
- Was nice of Milligan to use the final page of his run to set up a story way down the line

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Arc conclusion

This was bad, but it was very entertaining. X-Men #186 was legit trash though. I can only imagine what it was like reading this month to month and then finally finding salvation with Carey.